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post Jul 9 2007, 02:32 PM
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The hash marks on the oven meters are indeed only worth 5. the sixth mark is 30......
I have been using this recipe from the get go and it works. Cook 3 hrs oven temp 30 and ingredients set to 30. get results over 950 most of the time. It is probably the most stable recipe. Hope this helps.


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post Jul 9 2007, 02:42 PM
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i had also noticed that some people were referring to the major tick marks in varying counting systems. best to stick to one: each major tick is 5 points.

i also use 30 30 30 to the best advantage, but have had luck with 19.5 30 30 as well...

don't feel badly, wolfie.gif this was one i could not figure out either, so i just keep coming to this thread to wait for the "magic bullet" as it were...

so far, i am content with 30 30 30 (three hours cooking time and then come back to retrieve the pellets)

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post Jul 9 2007, 03:00 PM
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Wolfie, don't bang your head hug.gif J'iim is correct. There are only 50 marks in each gauge. The cutout/black marks are equal 5. You'll need 6 of those to make 30 smile.gif



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post Jul 9 2007, 03:49 PM
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Nice pic, Ayli. smile.gif

Perhaps this is worth repeating: the neat thing about cooking is that you don't have to play Uru the whole time, simply press the yellow button and it runs even while logged off. I noticed the clock keeps running, especially with the old GZ marker calibration games.


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post Jul 9 2007, 04:22 PM
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Since there is no referent to know what the actual scale values are, some people used 0-50 and some used 0-100. Using the 0-50 has the advantage of giving you the actual time setting (divide by 10... e.g 16/10 = 1.6 hours or 1hr and 36 minutes).

Using the 0-100 scale, each little mark is 2 and the big marks are 10. On the 0-50 scale, each little mark is 1 and the big marks are 5. There are actually 100 possible positions on each slider that you can set. Setting the slider halfway between small divisions is a valid setting.
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post Jul 10 2007, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (Jiim @ Jul 9 2007, 02:22 PM) *
Since there is no referent to know what the actual scale values are, some people used 0-50 and some used 0-100. Using the 0-50 has the advantage of giving you the actual time setting (divide by 10... e.g 16/10 = 1.6 hours or 1hr and 36 minutes).

Using the 0-100 scale, each little mark is 2 and the big marks are 10. On the 0-50 scale, each little mark is 1 and the big marks are 5. There are actually 100 possible positions on each slider that you can set. Setting the slider halfway between small divisions is a valid setting.

It's worse than that! You can set values in between the ticks as fine as your mouse and screen resolutions will allow. So it's probably better if everyone uses a uniform one-per-tick, 50-ticks-total scaling.

...and I was using a scale of 0-10 when I started. unsure.gif If I adjust the original recipe that I started the thread with... and re-orient my directions to match the control map and others' formulas... whistling.gif then my best formula comes out to: 45-35-20 on #1-3, and 25-25-25 on #4 (SE). which nets me around 950 per pellet.

My own drawback was that having a 45 timer, my recipes take over 4 hours to complete! down.gif I think I'll play with J'iim's 30-30-30 settings, and see what I get.

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post Jul 10 2007, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (Hagenn @ Jul 10 2007, 02:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Jiim @ Jul 9 2007, 02:22 PM) *
Since there is no referent to know what the actual scale values are, some people used 0-50 and some used 0-100. Using the 0-50 has the advantage of giving you the actual time setting (divide by 10... e.g 16/10 = 1.6 hours or 1hr and 36 minutes).

Using the 0-100 scale, each little mark is 2 and the big marks are 10. On the 0-50 scale, each little mark is 1 and the big marks are 5. There are actually 100 possible positions on each slider that you can set. Setting the slider halfway between small divisions is a valid setting.

It's worse than that! You can set values in between the ticks as fine as your mouse and screen resolutions will allow. So it's probably better if everyone uses a uniform one-per-tick, 50-ticks-total scaling.

...and I was using a scale of 0-10 when I started. unsure.gif If I adjust the original recipe that I started the thread with... and re-orient my directions to match the control map and others' formulas... whistling.gif then my best formula comes out to: 45-35-20 on #1-3, and 25-25-25 on #4 (SE). which nets me around 950 per pellet.

My own drawback was that having a 45 timer, my recipes take over 4 hours to complete! down.gif I think I'll play with J'iim's 30-30-30 settings, and see what I get.


I know that it appears that you can set the sliders finer than .5 of the small marks but please believe me, the internal value will only be an integer of 1-100. There are only 100 settings that the game recognizes. If you leave the Age or logoff and come back and look again at the sliders you will see that the bottom of the needle will either be on a line or halfway between lines when the game re-renders the view. 30-30-30 (on the 0-50 scaling) or 60-60-60 (on the 0-100 scaling) is the 6th black mark up from the bottom. The result of this setting:
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is a theoretical score of 1000 less a random 0-5% of 1000, so your scores should be between 950 and 1000. There is a group of settings that gives this same score that takes 1 hour and 57 minutes but requires to set 3 ovens one way and the 4th oven another. Also of interest is that 29.5-29.5-29.5 (or on the 0-100 scale, 59-59-59) give the same result. Going above 30 (or 60) starts the points going down.


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post Jul 10 2007, 11:56 AM
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I'm very happy with my 30-30-30 recipe and will stick with it for some time. My average is 982 points after 50 pellets in both avies, and got 5 pellets that reached 1000 points. Why mess around with the controls when all I have to do is click-yellow-button-get-out-game-come-back-later-drop-pellets-and-so-on?


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post Jul 10 2007, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Hagenn @ Jul 9 2007, 08:26 PM) *
...and I was using a scale of 0-10 when I started. unsure.gif If I adjust the original recipe that I started the thread with... and re-orient my directions to match the control map and others' formulas... whistling.gif then my best formula comes out to: 45-35-20 on #1-3, and 25-25-25 on #4 (SE). which nets me around 950 per pellet.


The 30.5/30.5/30.5 setting generates a higher average, about 970, but not as good as the 30/30/30 recipe where I get 1000 pt pellets.


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post Jul 10 2007, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (jarelav @ Jul 10 2007, 01:55 PM) *
The 30.5/30.5/30.5 setting generates a higher average, about 970, but not as good as the 30/30/30 recipe where I get 1000 pt pellets.



The theoretical maximum score for 30.5-30.5-30.5 is 994 which should give displayed scores of 944-994. If you ran both groups of settings, statistically, the 30-30-30 should give you a higher average over time.
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post Jul 10 2007, 01:59 PM
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Thanks all ... I knew from playing Complete Chronicles that it was a 5 point scale, but then I started reading all the measurements and wondered why people were using the 10 point scale which I didn't understand where they even got this from. I was sure I read somewhere that it had indeed been switched to the 10 point scale to make the puzzle new/different, while reading elsewhere that the puzzle itself was the same and that only the measurements for lighting the lake had changed.

I guess the old adage ... tooooo many cooks in the kitchen ... totally applies here. whistling.gif


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post Jul 11 2007, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE (J @ Jul 10 2007, 11:20 AM) *
QUOTE (jarelav @ Jul 10 2007, 01:55 PM) *
The 30.5/30.5/30.5 setting generates a higher average, about 970, but not as good as the 30/30/30 recipe where I get 1000 pt pellets.



The theoretical maximum score for 30.5-30.5-30.5 is 994 which should give displayed scores of 944-994. If you ran both groups of settings, statistically, the 30-30-30 should give you a higher average over time.



Jiim...could you break down how you are figuring that 994 is the theoretical maximum score for that setting?
Recipes I have had high scores on:
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43-30-25 979 (1 batch)
28-40-33 971 (4 batches)
28-33-30 960 (7 batches)
30-30-30 I have tried once and got an AVG score of 950...am trying some more batches...


/me continues his baking experiments...
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post Jul 11 2007, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (IBnetweasel @ Jul 11 2007, 05:47 AM) *
Jiim...could you break down how you are figuring that 994 is the theoretical maximum score for that setting?
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I have a partial mathemetical model that gives these predictions based on the values entered into each of the 4 ovens. It is far from ready and only gives valid results for pellets that register in the 40-60% range in the tester. It is not quite ready to see the light of day... I have about 1000 more batches of pellets to test before I have enough data to completely model the oven. It will be a while.
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This is just a bump pretty much. I was wondering if anyone has had any further luck with experimenting?

So far my best recipe found for time is 20-50-50 on ovens 1-3 and 20-50-20 on oven 4. I have done hundreds of batches with that recipe and a number of pellets at 1000...nothing over that. The average is 976. I was trying 19.5-50-50 on 1-3, 19.5-50-19.5 on 4, but the avg for that was 960.

I was hoping to work a bit more on this before the shutdown.
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QUOTE (IBnetweasel @ Feb 11 2008, 01:08 AM) *
This is just a bump pretty much. I was wondering if anyone has had any further luck with experimenting?

So far my best recipe found for time is 20-50-50 on ovens 1-3 and 20-50-20 on oven 4. I have done hundreds of batches with that recipe and a number of pellets at 1000...nothing over that. The average is 976. I was trying 19.5-50-50 on 1-3, 19.5-50-19.5 on 4, but the avg for that was 960.

I was hoping to work a bit more on this before the shutdown.
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The hardest thing about setting the oven controls is what you see is not necessarily what you get. There is a bit of play and you can easily be off what you are trying to set by one number.

Theoretically,
the 19.5 recipe gives:
recipe #200, 1000 KI (less 0-5%), and 200 lake points.

and the 20 recipe gives:
recipe #205, 925 KI (less 0-5%), and 185 lake points.

Both give a bright orange glow.

Once you start getting 1000 KI point results, don't mess with it. This is the best you can do.
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